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Originally posted by SOWB_Ref
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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Originally posted by daves
One of the officials at our association meeting tonight
brought up a situation that maybe some of you can help me with. During the pre game warmups a person who is dressed in uniform dunks the ball. When going over to report the technical the coach informs the official that the person won't be playing or even listed in the book. Since you can't call a T on the player, how would you handle this? I told him that I would call a bench T with an indirect on the head coach and start the game with free throws and possession for the other team at the division line. Is the correct procedure for handling this?
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Partially correct. The head coach does receive an indirect technical foul for the player dunking the ball, you are correct in that respect. But the technical foul is a direct technical foul against the player. If his/her name is not in the scorebook, you add his/her name. The adding of the name in this situation is mandatory. There is a sticky wicket attached to the adding of the player's name to the scorebook. If the dunking occured before the ten minute mark then you do not have a problem. But, if the dunking occured after the ten minute mark, then the player's team is also charged with an administrative technical foul for adding a name to the scorebook. You cannot get around adding the player's name to the scorebook.
At the least, the A1 will have one direct technical foul charged against him, the Head Coach A will have an indirect technical foul charged against him, and the Team A will have one team foul charged against its seven and ten team fouls NFHS rules). The game will start with Team B shooting two free throws and then have possesion of the ball for a throw-in at the division line (NFHS rules) or jump ball to start the game (NFHS rules).
At the least, the A1 will have one direct technical foul charged against him, the Head Coach A will have an indirect technical foul charged against him, Team A will be charged with an administrative technical foul, and the Team A will have two team fouls charged against its seven and ten team fouls (NFHS rules). The game will start with Team B shooting four free throws and then have possesion of the ball for a throw-in at the division line (NFHS rules) or jump ball to start the game (NFHS rules).
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I have a concern with this. What rule are you using to establish that a person must be added as a player(mandatory)? Just because a person is in a uniform does not establish them a player. If it was a boy in an identical uniform just prior to a girls game do you add him? I would submit that if they aren't a designated team member, we have to handle it differently.
I believe there are rules designating people who are authorized to be on the court to conduct a pre-game warm-up, but I went thru my rule book and couldn't locate it. I would say if they aren't a team member(or bench personnel) during the warm-up, then have them leave the court (not removed from the gym).
Now here is a point of contention with that scenario. What if they aren't a team member but bench personnel. I think 10-4-1 in the first line says it all, "Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct..." i.e. judgement. And in my judgement, I am going to hold all bench personnel to the same standard as team member. Whack bench T with one indirect on the head coach.
IMHO
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Lets look at the orginal posting again. The A1 is in uniform and the Head Coach A tells you that he does not plan to play A1 or even put A1's name in the scorebook. If that is the case, then Head Coach A should not have had A1 in uniform going through warm-ups. When A1 dunked, his name just went into the scorebook.
NFHS R4-S34-A4: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and eligible to play.
Now it my be argued that since A1's name was not in the scorebook, he is not a team member, but as I stated in my original posting, players' names can be added to the scorebook at anytime, subject to penalties in certain circumstances. In the posted play both A1 and Head Coach A made poor decisions, but that is life, and Team A has to live with the decisions made by A1 and Head Coach A.
I need to clarify one point in my original posting. I did not choose my words carefully in describing how the game will start. The game actually started in theory when A1 dunked the ball, he committed a technical foul. When the warm-up period has ended, Team B will shot free throws followed by possession of the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the scorer/timer's table (NFHS) or the ball will be put into play with at jump ball at center court by any two players from both teams (NCAA). I had stated that the game would start with a jump ball under NCAA rules. That was incorrect. The reason that the game in theory started when A1 dunked the ball hinges on the rule that allows any player on Team B including incoming substitutes to shoot the free throws for the technical foul. In the last year or two the Rules Committee cleaned up the language that confirmed the fact that anybody, including non-starters could shoot the free throws for a technical foul during the dead ball period before the scheduled start of the game. Until this language was added, some officials thought that only starters could shoot the technical foul free throws because to allow a substitute to shoot them would be the same as changing the starting lineup after the time period to name the starters. This was never the case. Substitutes could always shoot these free throws, because the rule allowing any substitute to shoot the free throws trumped the rule about changing starters, because it was implied that A1's technical foul for dunking was the theoretical starting of the game.
Now for a bonus question without looking at your rules book, when is the Alternating Possession arrow set, and towards whose basket is it set? Stayed tuned, film at eleven.
Regarding the male player who is in uniform and dunks the ball prior to the girls game. You have nothing. You do not have jurisdiction for his game, even if you are going to officiate his game immediately after the girls game. In this scenario, I do some preventive officiating. If I saw him in the warm-up line with the girls, I would ask him if he shaved his legs everyday, if he said no, then I would tell him he could not be on the court with players who do shave their legs everyday. I can assure you that gets them off the court very quickly.