Team without possession calls time out during live ball

Philz

Team A on offense was in there front court moving towards the basket when I heard time out requested. Like a rookie I blew my whistle before I realized it was by Team B the defense that called the time out . I tried to correct it by giving the ball back to team A for a throw-in but my partner (with more experience) stopped me and said it was an inadvertant whistle and we need to go to the possession arrow which went to team B. I dont feel that was the right or fair call and couldnt find it in the book. We were playing NCAA rules. Can anyone give me a reference for this?

smoref

Go with POI

Rule 7 5:21

IREFU2

Rule 6 Section 3 Art 1.G

Play on, unless there is no player or Team Control, then you go to the AP.😃

deecee

that is completely wrong -- i dont have my rulebook here to give you reference but inadvertant whistle ALWAYS goes POI -- you only go to the possession arrow if there was no team possession -- like a loose ball or rebound or during a shot.

in this case once you blew your whistle team B can now call their timeout -- Team A ball after the TO is over. you screwed up but oh well its not that big a deal.

but more experience doesnt mean he knows whats right because what he did was WAY wrong. ALWAYS GOES POI -- point of interruption on an inadvertant whistle.

wfd21

5.8.3. Grant time out then resume POI.

wfd21

Sorry that was 5.8.3E

IREFU2

deecee wrote
that is completely wrong -- i dont have my rulebook here to give you reference but inadvertant whistle ALWAYS goes POI -- you only go to the possession arrow if there was no team possession -- like a loose ball or rebound or during a shot.

in this case once you blew your whistle team B can now call their timeout -- Team A ball after the TO is over. you screwed up but oh well its not that big a deal.

but more experience doesnt mean he knows whats right because what he did was WAY wrong. ALWAYS GOES POI -- point of interruption on an inadvertant whistle.

To which post are your refering too???

Raymond

wfd21 wrote
Sorry that was 5.8.3E

In HS, yes you would grant the TO and give the ball back to Team A.

In NCAA, it's an inadvertent whistle and you go to POI which is Team A's possession.

IREFU2 wrote
To which post are your refering too???

Rob, he's referring to the OP.

And Philz, your partner was completely wrong.

Zoochy

😮 Deecee, wfd21 and smoref hit it on the money.
As you said, you blew the whistle with Team A having Player/Team control. Ball is now dead. Team B can request and be granted TO. Return play w/POI. Thus Team A has the ball OOB at the location of the ball when you blew the whistle.

wfd21

This definetly falls under 5.8.3E

Raymond

The OP clearly stated that this was under NCAA rules. NCAA and NFHS handle this play differently.

In the NCAA rulebook 5-8.3 covers Extra Periods and sections 5-9 through 5-14 cover Timeouts.

Zoochy

deecee wrote
that is completely wrong -- i dont have my rulebook here to give you reference but inadvertant whistle ALWAYS goes POI -- you only go to the possession arrow if there was no team possession -- like a loose ball or rebound or during a shot.

in this case once you blew your whistle team B can now call their timeout -- Team A ball after the TO is over. you screwed up but oh well its not that big a deal.

but more experience doesnt mean he knows whats right because what he did was WAY wrong. ALWAYS GOES POI -- point of interruption on an inadvertant whistle.

You DO NOT lose Team Control during a loose ball! If there is an advertent whistle during a loose ball, you go to POI.
See thread below
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29802

Zoochy

Actually this is the prior thread that deals with loose ball/inadvertent whistle.
Although my other attachment is about granting TO.
http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=29772

deecee

yes it seems sloppy however correct by the rules...and also the T for the coach who wanted an AP throw in. maybe chuck should get in here and make this a change for next year -- or at least an exception.

inadvertant whistle during loose ball goes to arrow. seems fair and right to do it this way.

bob jenkins

deecee wrote
yes it seems sloppy however correct by the rules...and also the T for the coach who wanted an AP throw in. maybe chuck should get in here and make this a change for next year -- or at least an exception.

inadvertant whistle during loose ball goes to arrow. seems fair and right to do it this way.

Define "loose ball"

IREFU2

bob jenkins wrote
Define "loose ball"

The wairing of no underwear!!!!! Opps, thats loose balls.....

deecee

as in where there is team control but no player control.

Adam

IREFU2 wrote
The wairing of no underwear!!!!! Opps, thats loose balls.....

Two words. Lance Armstrong.

Adam

deecee wrote
as in where there is team control but no player control.

I like it the way it is. So therefore, I decree no change be made.

deecee

snaq no change to what?