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Originally Posted by 81artmonk
From the lastest barrage of responses, I find it hard to believe that you would think a ref wouldn't know the rules at the MS level.
Using parents calling me on the carpet for plays is completely different than reffing. reffing has a set standard rules. Coaching does not. One coach may run this while another doesn't. Although we are bound by human error, to link the two is delinquent.
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Mr. RedskinNation, officials are assigned games by certain people, whether it be a supervisor, assignor, commissioner, or the school's Athletic Director. If you believe an official is improperly applying rules you need to relay that information to the proper authority. The refs do not work directly for you, the coach. It is not your business to wave a rulebook in front of an official and tell him he is wrong. Also, a few of your scenarios involved judgement of an official, not rules application.
Now answer me this, where are new officials supposed to get their training and learn the ropes? Where I live, Middle School games serve a large portion of that function. So yes, you are going to have officials who don't have a command of the rulebook.
Your problem in this forum is that you are being disingenuous. You ask our input for certain situations then argue when you don't like our answers. I think you're really here so you can go back to one of your offending officials and say "See, I told you so."
You're like one of those guests who come on Dr. Phil, ask for help and advice, then get mad when they don't hear what they want to hear, then end up arguing with Dr. Phil.
If you are just looking for confirmation that MS officials aren't the best officials in the world, I'm sure there are plenty of coaching forums where you can vent and get all the affirmation you need in return.
And lastly, quit whining with all this refs must think "coaches are basically the bottom feeders" garbage. We officials disagree with each other all the time and we have all kinds of "popcorn" worthy spectacles within the confines of this forum, the locker room after a game, or the nearest Bar & Grill. You aren't getting any kind of special mistreatment that we don't already give to each other.