[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coachJoeGibbs

If a player pointed out a rule, that I was wrong on and he/she used a rule book to show me I would be open to see it and admit, if I was wrong to my lack of knowledge on my part. I think it is arrogance, which some, not all refs have, to think that every call they make, at that level is true and by the book. I've had at times one ref tell the other ref " dude, you know he's right, you got the call wrong." and still they refuse to admit they were wrong.

How many times to do you hold conferences with the parents of your players? And many times do you tell them you were wrong for running a certain play or using a certain rotation?

Originally Posted by asstJoeBugel

The other issue I have is what we should expect from refs at that level. Having players adjust who are 11-13 especially girls is asking way too much. I laughed when you stated the sactioned mugging, which is kinda my point. Obvisously you can't call every little thing, and that is not what I am asking for.
I am asking that since those players at that level aren't at a maturity of talent yet, need to be cut some slack on certain aspects of the game. Like traveling, picking up a pivit foot slightly to get a pass off, or a minor double dribble. Like I said if you called all of those strickly, the game would last 3 hours.

Who do you think is working MS games? A lot of times it's new officials who are just starting out. I'm asking that since they are new that you cut them some slack on certain aspects of the game. BTW, picking up your pivot foot to get off a pass is not a violation. And what is a minor double dribble?

Originally Posted by 66JoeJacoby

Just as funny end to this rambling, I once had a ref I coached with who was as I called him a vengence ref. If you pissed him off, which could on some days be just saying "aw com'n" he would than begin making calls to punish my team. Other teams also, I wasn't the only one. I kid you not, he once called a T on me for nothing, He thought I said something, and T'd me up. At the time I wasn't even sure what happened and what foul was called, I asked him who is the foul on and what for?? He told me "you, you arrogant *******" and T'd me again and threw me out of the game. Which I didn't leave, but that is another story. He gained enough complaints that he was banned from reffing anymore....thank GOD!! but I thought you guys might find that funny.

What's that gotta do with us? I ref games in which I have good friends playing and they do the most whining. When I played I was an a$$-hole to a couple of my best friends in their early years of officiating and now both are D1 officials. All that has nothing to do with coming into this forum and learning.