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Originally posted by Slider
If someone shows me a shred of evidence that a ball 5 feet or more IB away from the endline is at disposal, I will change my mind.
[Heck, if you can show me that a ball IB is at disposal, I will be impressed.]
[Edited by Slider on Feb 10th, 2002 at 05:05 PM]
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In one of your responses above, you state "That is not near the endline as the rules require." Please state your rule(s) reference for this statement.
Now - as to the ball "being at the disposal" phrase, to use the logic implied in your post here, not considering the ball to be "at the disposal" due to its distance from the endline, then it would follow that if the ball just came out of the basket and it just lay there with no one touching it or picking it up, you would never start your 5 second count. You know that cannot be. There is a point when you have to rule that the player had the opportunity to take the ball OOB. As I stated before, if that player bats the ball instead, they have chosen not to take it OOB when they could have and the 5 second count should start at that point. And really, is there anyone out there who, after A1 picks up the ball to start taking it OOB would grant team B a timeout? Nobody I know.
As to your case where you are making a bounce pass to A1 to inbound (BTW - there are situations where bouncing the ball to him from 6 feet away is now perfectly proper mechanics) and A2 intentionally deflects your pass - I have never had this happen, but I would just start the 5 second count. I don't view this as the same as a player not promptly giving me the ball following a call with which they didn't like, which is the most common use of the delay technical. Not only that, but if you are bouncing the ball to the inbounder (I refuse to use the NF term "thrower-in" - it makes me want to "thrower-up"), you most probably have a spot throw-in. The delay warning system only applies to throw-ins following a score, so if you use the "A2 intentionally deflecting your pass" case you mentioned, unless it was for a throw-in following a score, you (if you used your rule about not starting the 5 second count, but considering it a delay) could not, by rule, issue a warning, but would either have a no call or a T.