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I thought it was pretty clear on the 1st fumble by WF that the ball was definitely moving before his knee hit. If any of you didn't see the ball start to move, if you'll go back and watch it you'll probably see it.
I don't think the definition of fumble needs to be revisited. It's either moving or not. In this case it was moving before the knee hit.
The second one was just tight all the way around. Go with the official.
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