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Originally Posted by Old School
Are we getting a little defensive here? I agree, that is it...
Of course you didn't, I did!
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Defensive? Who are you to me? The point is I did not ask you to buy anything. If you do not agree with my position then oh well.
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Originally Posted by Old School
Agree with this statement, but not in case. Score was not indicative that they where showing off. I think this may be where we disagree the most. The NBA is all about entertainment, and showtime is what the fans come and pay a very hefty, hefty, hefty (up to $600 per seat) price to see. I want to see Carmelo get off, he is a superstar and I want to see him in the game all the way to the end. The same if it was Lebron James or Michael Jordan. The Knicks got no business getting all upset ruining everybody good time because they can't take a little butt whoop-in. Let's face it man. They acted like little kids.
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You are right, it is a business. And in any business if you treat people that you have to work with or deal with in that business and you treat them in what is perceived as unprofessional, you will likely suffer some consequences as a result. Now the NBA most of this is dealt with on the court and in most people's view, but in other aspects of life it happens behind close doors. We talk about it hear all the time when people complain they live in a political association or they did not get a shot based on something they are not aware of. It is not about entertainment when you are a participant of an industry. You will have to face these same people again; you do not want to burn bridges if you do not have to.
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Originally Posted by Old School
Isiah acted like a little spoil child, and that attitude spread around his team and next thing you know, we got an all out brawl. Next thing you know, we got retaliations like this happening all over the country. Isiah is got to be smarter than this. I'm sorry, he's got to be smarter than this! Let's be clear, Isiah started this. If we can't agree here, than we are done talking. Isiah got to keep his personal feeling in check until after the game. He's not a player anymore. I don't want to see him lose his job as a coach but I think more about the message he just sent out around the country. We don't need this sh!t coming from his position. If he's going to act like a sore loser everytime he gets a little beat up, then he doesn't need to be in that position. The Knicks deserve better....
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I am not sure what Isiah had to do with the fight no more than George Karl did. That fight was based on the reaction of all the parties directly involved. If you do not like Isiah that is your right, but it has nothing to do with the fight that took place. Remember Isiah is a Hall of Fame player talking to a potential Hall of Fame player. I think he is in a much better position to tell a young player what to do despite what team he was on. He has much more of a right to do so than Karl if you ask me.
Also I think as usual we over-react to these situations and make them into bigger issues. If you were really old school you would remember at another time when fighting in the NBA was a regular occurrence. Now it barely happens and the only incident we can talk about was over a year old. I can remember specifically when Dr. J and Larry Bird, two of the biggest stars at the time got into fisticuffs in the 80s. I remember big time fights that took place with some of the biggest stars of the day. I do not know if you even have a chance to listen to Norm Van Lear formally of the Chicago Bulls talk and was in the same backcourt with Jerry Sloan (current coach of the Utah Jazz) and Norm advocates putting someone into a wall almost every other comment when he gives analysis of Bulls and NBA games. I have been listening and watching Van Lear for years as he was on TV most of the Jordan year's runs for championships and he was making comments all the time about being tough and talks about what they would do to players of today's games.
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