No Steve I wasnt referring to the honigs leather ones. im talking about the regular black ones (narrow top) ones. They dont look much different, but they fit better on your belt and belt loops. And Tim, sure i know how important dress is, we have a specific dress code too. But i dont think that a coach will really care what type of ball bag you are wearing unless its an unorthodox style, such as pink or orange. To bobjenkins, when will you get the pooper-scooper out here? You have mess to clean