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Old Wed Jan 30, 2002, 11:41pm
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I have watched varsity Bball in DC, MD, IL, and MI, and spoke with a varsity ref in PA this weekend on this specific issue and some other topics that were hot items on this board. Guess what - they all have the same thing in common. You never see the run of the mill push off called on a defensive rebounder on a made shot. And the PA ref said that's how his assignors wanted it. Don't know about Ohio or NC - never watched ball there. But those who are at the HS varsity level and above never make this call - those below do. Seems those POEs don't resonate with evaluators and assignors the same way they do with you.

And Mark, you are playing with semantics. You say that there is no advantage rule, but your ruling cites the attempt to gain an advantage as your criteria for this being a foul. I am saying that at the high levels, they look not only at the attempt to gain an advantage, but the advantage gained.

If you disagree with this, fine. But then you should easily be able to cite 10 college games this year where defensive rebounding pushes by B on a made shot by A have resulted in common fouls, ball inbounded by A under the basket. It is completely illogical to assume that rebounding contact is different on made shots than missed shots, if you are familiar with statistical principles. In reality, there should be an equal ratio of pre-rebound bumps and pushes on made as on missed shots. But while pre-rebound pushes are called in most college games I see, they are only called on missed shots. That ought to mean something to that scientific brain of yours - it's either an amazing statistical anomaly or some kind of pattern that indicates how every D1 ref calls the game.

And again, Mark, I am not talking about excessively rough play, bringing into play your rules of physics. Varsity HS rebounding features a lot of bumping and pushing, some called, some not. If you think that the only way to control the normal physical play of basketball is through use of your whistle, then I am sorry to hear that you suffer from such severe limitations. There are ways to manage a game without use of the whistle and calling fouls. If it is a one time incident, your physics laws are irrelveant. If you start having the equal and opposite reactions, then decide what the appropriate step should be to control it.
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