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Originally posted by Slider
You are going against Casebook guidance if you call live ball punches (contact) as technicals, see Case 10.4.4 Situation A.
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Nope, i'm simply going by 10-3-8g which says it's a flagrant technical foul to be charged with fighting. It does not say it has to be during a dead ball. Personally, I believe there's a contradiction in between the rule and the case play. In such a case, I'm going with the rule.
It says to go with the "lesser" penalty of a Personal for live ball fighting; if you find a case or rule that shows a live ball elbow with contact called as a T, then I'll change my mind. [/B][/QUOTE]
What do you mean "go with the "lesser" penalty of a Personal for live ball fighting?" Fighting is always flagrant, there is no lesser penalty. 2 shots and the ball OOB for a throw-in.
I was referring to your willingness to simply call a personal if there's contact on excessive elbows, yet you're going to call a T if there is not contact. That doesn't make sense. When the elbows are swinging, you have a T. You don't wait until to see if there's contact and then call a personal. The reason swinging is a T is to hopefully make the call before there is contact. But it's a T as soon as they swing. That's the rule and that's common sense.