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Originally posted by Mark Dexter There is a good analogy with fighting, look at 4-19-7a in the Simplified and Illustrated (if you have one) and two fighters are punching each other while a dribbler goes by. They are called for two flagrant personals for fighting.
The foul for excessively swinging elbows is just that - for excessively swinging them. Once the elbows are swung, you have a T, the ball is dead, and any subsequent contact is ignored (unless flagrant or intentional).
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The definition for fighting talks about an attempt to strike an opponent as a foul (regardless if contact is made). If we followed your logic, there would never be a Personal Foul for fighting (since an attempt always proceeds a hit).