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Originally posted by Slider
I must disagree with the consensus. For whatever perverse reason, live ball contact by players is only called as a personal. If he swung his elbows excessively before contact (and you recognized that), then you could have a T.
There is a good analogy with fighting, look at 4-19-7a in the Simplified and Illustrated (if you have one) and two fighters are punching each other while a dribbler goes by. They are called for two flagrant personals for fighting.
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Oy! Here we go again . . .
The foul for excessively swinging elbows is just that - for excessively swinging them. Once the elbows are swung, you have a T, the ball is dead, and any subsequent contact is ignored (unless flagrant or intentional).
Now, at least by my reading, in this situation the elbows aren't being swung (as in pivoted about the shoulder) - they're simply being "thrown" into the defender - this is a personal foul because of the contact.