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Originally Posted by All_Heart
My point is that you will know when B1 "knocks the ball" out of A1's hands. It doesn't matter how much force the defense enacts on the ball, all that matters is if the ball popped lose or it causes the player to come down with the ball. If the player consciously "drops the ball" then it has to be a travel, imo.
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okay. I don't think JAR was saying that you should penalize the defense by letting A1 consciously drop the ball and then retrieve it. I think he was saying, and I agree, that if you aren't sure why A1 isn't holding onto the ball anymore, and there was contact by the defense, then you sorta figure that the defender knocked it out, so you call it a dislodge or a steal, and let A1 retrieve it with a new dribble, if someone else doesn't get it first.