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Originally Posted by just another ref
The whole argument on this thread is about whether to count the basket or not. The only reason not to count it would be that the ball was declared dead when it hit the wire, which was an out-of-bounds violation. The violation was not called, the ball was not dead. The basket counts. End of story.
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Well, not quite.
It wasn't just that the violation was not "called". I would say the official
did make a call - his call was the ball was still live even though it hit the support. This was not a judgement call, but a rather a clear mis-application of a rule, which resulted directly in a unmerited counting of a score.
So, what is the definition of a "call"? If we don't have a clear answer to that, how do we know for certain we can't go back and correct or change such a thing?
I will agree, we are never going to go back, even for a few seconds, to argue judgement calls. (Although, we even do that - if a partner disagrees with a 2-point or 3-point basket, we can go back and change a partner's judgement call.) In this case, we are not going to go back and discuss whether one of us saw the ball hit the support; that's judgement. In the jump-stop example, we could get together and easily tell the coach, "In our judgement, that's a legal move." and get into the locker room and show your partner where they screwed up. You could even do the same thing here, where after you get together, you would try to convince your partner they may not have seen the ball hit the support, therefore, now it clearly becomes a judgement call and you move on. But if they are insistent on saying they saw the ball hit the support, and their call is that the ball was still live as it passed through the basket, now it's no longer strictly a judgement call, and it now becomes a misinterpretation of a rule.
Hence, not quite end of story.