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Old Tue Oct 31, 2006, 07:19pm
IRISHMAFIA IRISHMAFIA is offline
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Possible ASA changes

These are some suggestions I offered to members of the Director's staff that could probably be handled as housekeeping instead of outright rule changes, especially since there really no change to the rule.

I shared these with a select few a little while ago, but thought you may want to discuss these along with the proposed rule changes since we are in that time of year.

Many of these came from discussions on this board.

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The following eliminates umpires from ruling runners out during a live ball which eventually is declared a foul ball.

Runner is out

Insert 8.7.E EXCEPTION

EXCEPTION – Sections D and E: A runner passing or assisted shall not be out when on a batted ball which is declared foul.

Affects POE #39

Reason: This would eliminate the possibility of runners being called out for passing or being assisted on a ball which is eventually declared foul.

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The present wording indicates a runner is allowed off the base if the pitcher makes a play on another runner. At no point in the rule or POE does it state that a runner is not declared out if a play is made on him/her.

Batter-Runner and Runner – Look-Back Rule

Change 8.7.T

EXCEPTION: The runner will not be declared out if:

1. A play is made on any runner. A fake throw is considered a play.


Change POE #34

EXCEPTION B-C: A runner will not be declared out if:

1. A play is made on any runner.


Reason: Present wording can be misconstrued as meaning that a play on THE runner, not ANOTHER runner, does not relieve that runner of the penalty for violating the LBR.

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The POE does not allow for the Exception to 8.7.L

POE 33.A.1.d Add:

EXCEPTION: If the interference prevents a fielder from catching a routine fly ball (fair or foul) with ordinary effort, the batter will also be ruled out.

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There seems to be a contradiction. Obviously, it is only a problem on a third strike, but a possible problem nonetheless.

7.4.NOTE E-F : If a pitched ball is swung at and missed, then hit on follow through, it is a strike and a dead ball.

7.6.K.EXCEPTION.3. If contact is made on the follow through, after missing the pitch on the initial swing, it is a foul ball.


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Suggested mechanic change in the 3-umpire system.

With a runner on first base only, the "C" position may give the third-base umpire a better look at a play at second base on a steal. From this position the umpire steps up to get what should seem to be a clear view of the play and bring him/her inside should the ball go into the outfield. Such a change may also alleviate some of the traffic between first and second base as to not have to "dance" with the runner. This should give the umpire more time to get inside on a base hit, pick up the runner, release first base umpire, if necessary and find the ball.

As deep as the infielders play in the SP game, it may not be as advantageous in that game.
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