[mcrowder]

4 against one, huh. OK, no problem.

I'm not going to stoop to name calling (no, I did NOT call you a liar), and will try to restate what I said (BTW - I was not the first to say this).

You took high offense to being asked why (not by me, by the way) you didn't teach your kids how to win at football, instead of trying to figure out how to make the defense think a play was not going. Even if this specific play WAS legal, for you guys to equate the sportsmanship of running a play like this to a trap play or a TE blocking and then going out for a pass is quite simply ludicrous.

You started this thread by saying, "We run a play...". I apologize profusely if I inadvertently took that to mean that you run such a play. You didn't say we've been practicing a play, or we're thinking about a play... You said that you run such a play. I don't think it's that far out of bounds for me to think that by saying "We run a play," that you indeed run such a play. If this misunderstanding, caused by you, is your main sticking point in what I've said, there's nothing I can do about it. But it was YOUR words that caused the misunderstanding.

You ask, "If this play was legal, why would it be garbage?" It would be garbage because it's not football. It's trying to win by more than just simple trickery. Trying to trick the defense into misreading a play is one thing. Trying to trick them into thinking there IS no play is completely different, and surely fits under the heading of "garbage." And despite your protestations, I think you probably know that or you probably wouldn't have asked about this play in the first place. It was shady enough in your own mind to cause you to wonder. That says something, doesn't it?

(a side note to parepat --- I believe there is only one official on either of the boards trying to say this play is legal, and he has no leg to stand on. It's not that we can't agree... it's that one singular official won't listen to reason or read memorandi from the NCAA or FED)

Perhaps I was a little overboard on my reactions to this. For that I do apologize. But I stand firm that the sort of thinking that leads to the creation of this sort of play is FAR from "straight up" football. If someone has to resort to this sort of garbage to win, he's not a very good coach in my book, and not a "straight up" guy.