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I know this fan didn't put the blame on Dusty because of that. I did put the blame on him when I saw players that were playing doing things like not hustling out ground balls, making bad decisions out in the field, being last or next to last in advancing runners and hitting w/runners in scoring position.
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I agree with you. Just understand I live in this area and the types of comments I would hear from fans when interviewed or calling into shows, it seemed very fashionable to blame Dusty for damn near everything.
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I think it's more of a NY attitude, rather than a Yankee fan attitude. According to a friend who watched a game at Yankee Stadium last year, he made the comment about how he wasn't sure he would feel comfortable about taking his daughter there to watch a game, just because of some of the things fans were yelling. Is that an issue everywhere? Perhaps, but he said it was more noticeable there.
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I cannot speak for everywhere. I have not attended many pro baseball games in my lifetime. You are probably right.
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Which people are you talking about? White Sox fans? Certainly not people outside the city of Chicago. White Sox fans have always had an inferiority complex when it comes to dealing with Cub fans.
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I am a Cards fans. It is not like my only experience is what goes on here. Even Cards fans across the state think Cubs fans are more concerned with the tourist attraction called Wrigley Field.
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Meaningless?? The number of people that go to a team's games is meaningless when it comes to determining a fan base? What criteria do you use to determine fan base?
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Fans can watch games at home too. How many people attend the games is not a direct reflection on the fan base. That just shows who is going to spend money. If my team was terrible and not doing what I think is best for the team, I would not give them money until they show some signs of effort to make the team better. I hear fans that do nothing but complain about management and all the decisions and still go to games. If you honestly think the Tribune Company only cares about money that comes into the stadium and you are not winning, why would you spend your hard earned money and keep giving it to them?
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How many games have you been to since that particular game? I've been to 5 baseball games this past season - 2 at Wrigley, 1 at the Cell, 1 in Cleveland, and 1 in St. Louis. I've noticed that at every game I've been to, so I'm not sure that's a "Wrigley" phenomenon as much as a society issue. There were any number of people talking on cell phones, talking about their job, telling their kids they had enough cotton candy, etc, etc. Heck, in Cleveland there was a group of guys that spent an inning and a half discussing whether Steve Perry from Journey was the greatest rock-n-roll singer ever.  Can I extrapolate that Cleveland fans really are the dumber than Cub fans??? |
Understand I am not a Cubs fan. I am not going to attend Cubs game unless the Cards are in town. The time I went I got free tickets and the game was against the Pirates. I just went because my roommate's cousin wanted to go and I went with him. I have had a couple of other opportunities but it is hard to attend any ball game when you have other things going on. Usually Spring Baseball and Summer Basketball keep me away from any MLB game.
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Again, I contend anyone can be a fair-weather fan. A real fan supports their team even when the team is horrible. Cub fans show up, buy merchandise, and support the team. How else do you measure how good a team's fans are than during the down years (yea, yea, centuries...)?
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I agree to a point, but most fans when the team is that bad and they are not happy with management do not keep attending games and bad games at that. I guess if you think that makes Cubs fans good fans, you have a right to your opinion.
Peace