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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
There's where we disagree also. Aside from personal issues, Bob Jenkins supplied an NFHS ruling that is fairly recent. That ruling is LAW imo until something further is issued.
You got a further ruling from Illinois apparently. That means that that ruling is now LAW in Illinois. It doesn't necessarily mean that your ruling is LAW in Chuck's state. Chuck's state could issue a completely different and conflicting interpretation, and that interpretation would now be LAW in Chuck's state.
The only real solution imo is to get a definitive, current rules interpretation from the FED which would apply to all states.
Somebody on this Forum being right or wrong shouldn't be an issue. The issue should be getting an official interpretation that everyone on this Forum can agree with, so that the right call is made if this situation ever comes up.
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JR,
We really do not disagree at all. The original take on this play was based on the fact of what we could find in the current literature. Some people that had another take had every right to point out a contradiction. My contention is always when there are these obvious holes in the rules, you go to your local association, state administration or local rules interpreters to iron it out. I just wanted clarification because I did not want to go to a game and have this happen and take what we said here as evidence of being right or wrong.
In most associations I belong to in all my sports, we have meetings weeks before the actual season starts and many times before there are rules interpretation meetings. We debate over similar issues like this discussion. When people bring up old rulings, immediately we try to get an official ruling from the IHSA Office or IHSA Rules Interpreters. It is not completely uncommon that we get multiple rulings that do not coincide with each other. It is also not uncommon that the interpretation that we are given is not what the NF wants or listed in their publications. For example we were given a zero tolerance with the coaching box last year. I know in football when PSK was put into the rulebooks, there were some multiple interpretations that did not mess with the rules and our state said, "THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT HERE THIS YEAR." Then when the NF makes a ruling that clears up the confusion, we do what they want unless our state takes a position differently than what the NF wants.
I have always understood that what my state might do might be different than what another state does. I have also read many times where someone from a state says they were instructed to something the NF does not want whether it is mechanics or rules. I know for a fact that NF puts out guidelines and an individual state can throw out all the NF guidelines if they want to. We have states using the shot clock and there is no where covering this rule. Do you see people telling them not to use that rule and the NF is the only way to go?
I think it is arrogance for anyone to think what they feel matters to people in other states. I have never officiated in another state and do not plan to anytime soon. If I do move I will conform to their wants and needs like the thousands that have to change things every time they move. I am sure what IAABO does is important to Chuck and what they rule is important to Chuck. But Chuck is very hypocritical when he has many times made claims of rulings that were handed down by his brass and those rulings were not in concert with the NF. Or the ruling was not given directly by the NF. I have read many times when you JR have called him on it.
I completely respect the knowledge that Bob J has. But Bob J and I are just officials. We are not clinicians or rules interpreters. We work for the state when they decide to assign us post season. I cannot speak for Bob J, but I did not get to where I was by trying to be right when the IHSA takes a position that is different than what I understand a rule to be. Kurt made it clear that this might become something that a "Special Report" would be filed on and he would hope the official used the proper ruling. Unfortunately, that ruling was not from 2000-2001.
Peace