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It seems like this is getting a bit convoluted with unecessary items thrown into the mix. The crux of the ruling should be the answer to the question of when the out occurred.
Wade -
The book says that a new inning begins after the final out of the previous inning. (Rule 1)
When ruling on an appeal play, the out is not happening until the appeal is asked and ruled upon.
When GOING FOR HELP/REQUESTING ASSISTANCE from another umpire on the field, the out is happening at the time of the play - not at the time of the ruling.
The example plays earlier given, I think, were very good examples of why this makes sense - i.e. the out occurs when the out occurs, not when the umpire signals it after winding up for a punchout, etc. - or the other example of an obvious out on a caught fly ball - although I've been taught - contrary to baseball mechanics - to signal on every caught fly ball or obvious out, regardless of how obvious it is - say it takes an umpire who went out on the fly ball 5 steps to stop running before they signal the catch -- the out occurred when the fielder caught the ball - not when the umpire signaled the out.
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