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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP
-By the logic of the discussion, we're saying that on dead ball appeal play, the out is occurring when the umpire rules on it, correct? (I.E. A runner missing second base on the way to third is appealed after TIME is called, and is subsequently ruled out - this did not become an out until ruled upon, correct?)
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Almost exactly... although it's conceivable that this difference MAY be important if timing was VERY close - the out occurs when the APPEAL occurs (such as in the case of a live ball appeal at 2nd on a failed tagup ... when the ball hits F6's glove), not the second or two later when BU signals the out.
Remember - in ANY of these cases, we are merely announcing results - the timing of the event we are ruling on is what is important, not the timing of when we announce the decision. The difference in timing is usually negligible, but in the cases of "Show me the ball!!!" and "Did he go?" the timing is not negligible.