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Originally Posted by SRW
For your information... I learned this tidbit just recently...
When you call ball 4 on a batter, it's an immediate dead ball. If the Batter is not permitted to legally advance during the dead ball then there does not exist a valid reason for the runners to also advance ... therefore they must stay at their base when the dead ball situation first occured.
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OK, I have one question -
WHAT? Who in the world said that ball four was an immediate dead ball? Again, is my filter on? Am I missing something? Have I been sucked into a vortex?
Ball four is not a dead ball situation anymore than strike three - unless it's a HBP. Live ball, runners advance if forced or may advance at their own peril.