Please note, no offense was intended by any of my comments below.
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
Randall, using your logic, we should refuse to accept anything not spelled out in the rulebook or casebook, even if it is correct, clearly understood and accepted? Where in the rulebook does it say home plate shall be white? Or that the pitchers plate shall be white? I think they should be purple; I will change my opinion and ruling if you can show me where it says they shall be white.
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The color of the bases has no bearing on the game. This example is not on point.
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
And, where does it say we should stop playing in heavy rain? What defines rain heavy enough to stop the game, or conditions bad enough to cancel play for the day? My field will play through any condition; if you can find a written ruling from the NUS, I will change my opinion and rulings.
Do you realize how foolish that sounds? And that is exactly how you sound when you approach issues that way.
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Oh, I'm foolish when I say show me the rule to support your position. Ok, so I'm foolish. I actually believe we should have rule support for our positions. And I seem to recall others who have asked for people to back up their positions with a rule reference.
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
On this board, we discuss rules, intent, interpretations, and (when necessary or appropriate) address NUS and other resources to get the best understanding of the rules; we don't insist that every ruleset publish a 16 volume encyclopedia of any and everything that may eventually happen. We have members with access to the movers, shakers, and decision makers, and many with experience at the highest levels of softball.
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Fine. I agree the rules can't cover every situation. I also agree that if the decision makers decide this is how it should be ruled, then so be it. However, I haven't heard any official ruling on this at any clinic.
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
Sometimes, you just need to accept the obvious and the inevitable. We won't all always agree; but this is one where you are hanging on your own. That doesn't make you unique; in other threads, others insist on their homegrown ways.
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I'm the one asking for a rule reference to back up your position and I"m the one with a "homegrown" way? I don't think so. That's not how I operate. I study the rulebook constantly. I come here to get a better understanding. I read where Mike and others say "That's not supported by the rules" when arguing a point and then I make the same argument, and I'm accused of "homegrown ways". So when am I suppose to have rule support for my interpretation? That's not a flippant question, by the way. It seems that some of the posters on this forum are not consistent. In one thread they say "Show me the rule to support your position", then the next thread they dont need a rule to base their interpretation on.
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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
But, sometimes, stop, read, and consider the prevailing thought process. This one, you are in left field; if R3 touches home before R2, R2 cannot legally touch it afterward. This requires an appeal for a missed base, and that's what happened. Correct call made.
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If we are not going by the rulebook, if there is no written or verbal instructions from the national office, then anything the umpires decided to do here was based on their interpretation.