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Originally Posted by LDUB
In the original play F6 fielded the ball. That means that F5 would have taken at least a step or two to his left from his starting position. When R2 clears F5 he is not at all close to third base yet. So there is no way that anyone would think you are watching the touch of third base..
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Or the ball could have been a shot one step to F6s right and F5 moved to the bag in case F6 came his way for the force. Therefore putting F5 directly at the bag.
I'm not going to write a book to cover all the possibilities. I think most people caught the implication when I said R2 clears F5. If you didn't understand, maybe you could have asked.
I also could not just say "once r2 touches third" because F5 could be sitting on the corner of the bag or playing in on the grass and could still obstruct after the touch. R2 clearing F5 seemed to be a general enough statement to get my point accross.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
So you are saying that touches of third are more important than touches of home I guess you've never seen runners obviously miss bases on home runs.?.
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I was speaking specifically to this situation, not a homerun where all the focus is on the BR.
When was the last time you had an uncontested runner miss the plate while a play was being made on another runner and had it appealed?
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Originally Posted by LDUB
A smart team would have someone in the dugout assigned to watch the base touches, and someone else to watch the umpires to see if they are watching the base touches..
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You're joking right?
In this sitch everyone in the defensive dugout and on the field will be watching 1st as the throw leaves F6s hand.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
Your posts in this thred are crazy. No one knows what side you are on.
Summary of this thread:
**Thom Coste says to watch the base touches.
**You reply to Thom " I don't know that I agree".
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I agreed at third, posted my exception for home.
I noted that seeing both was probable, but in this situation I would not forego watching first to see the foot hit home.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
**pdxblue replies to you "I agree...the UIC NEEDS to be paying attention to the pulled foot rather than worrying about runners touching 3rd and home."
**mcrowder says pdxblue is wrong.
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What has this got to do with me?
PDX mispoke if he is coupling his agreement with me to ignoring 3rd.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
**You reply to mcrowder by saying "I'm sure the losing team, after being rung up on a blatantly missed tag at first, will take solace knowing R3 touched home plate even if it didn't count.".
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That is a correct quote. IMO, Mcrowder was saying that PU had no business watching first, only responsibility was to watch R3 touch home.
This quote was in response to that sentiment.
I still stand by my posts.
In this situation, PU seeing the play at first trumps watching R3 touch home if doing both can't be done.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
So far it is Thom and mcrowder who say to watch the touches, and you and pdxblue who say to watch the pulled foot..
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Oversimplification, but with a wide brush is true.
Perhaps that is all you are capable of.
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Originally Posted by LDUB
**pdxblue disagrees with mcrowder
**RPatrino says to watch base touches
**I disagree with you (remember pdxblue is on your side saying to not watch the touches)
**You claim that you are for watching the base touches, going against what pdxblue would do
Obviously no one on this forum can understand which side of this discussion you are on.
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On the contrary, I think most understand which side I'm on.
They may not agree with my side, but I've been very clear.
In case you still don't know where I stand, here's the simple explanation.
Third base important
Home plate not as important as first.