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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
[QUOTEI am going to the the fly in the ointment on this play because there as been two pages of postings and none of them are valid for the posted play because there is not enough information to make a ruling. The only thing that we know from the original posting is that A1 had player control of the ball in Team A' backcourt.
Before we can make an informed ruling on this play, we need to know where B1 was when he tipped the ball and where A1 was when the ball hit him before he retrieved it in the backcourt.
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Mark,
Please look at my initial post on the subject, in which I restate the play so we can start with enough information to render a decision. I start with one assumption about what the situation that he tried to describe, then proceed to change the basic circumstances and discuss whether or not the play remains a violation, and if not, what condition was no longer met. I may not have covered exhaustively every possibility, but I tried to give the various permutations that could have occurred and how the call would differ. So if you read all two pages of postings on the subject, I don't know why there was a need to indicate that we were all full of it and failed to notice that the initial description lacked sufficient information to render a definitive opinion. Some of us knew that and tried to give an answer anyway by providing clearer definition so the different possibilities could be addressed. This is far more useful than providing situations with no answers, and hopefully provides the needed information to the person who initially asked the question.
Also, I disagree that we need to know where B was. All we need to know is that A had control, ball was front court while A had control, A was the last team to touch in frontcourt, and A was first team to touch after the ball went backcourt. Where does B's position ever factor into this equation? How would a backcourt vs frontcourt position of B change the call?
[Edited by Hawks Coach on Dec 20th, 2001 at 11:18 AM]