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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Jurassic Ref, I will use my option to give a general answer. I can't tell you that I would call a foul simply because the player goes to the floor. I think these plays need to be called on a play by play basis, not with some all encompassing statement. If a player is on a fast break and some secondary defender comes over and blocks the shot and the offensive player is totally under control and gets knocked to the floor I would probably have a foul. [/B][/QUOTE]Eli.please let me give you 2 direct quotes by yourself from earlier in thus thread.Note that they both relate to Crew's original post about a shooter being knocked to the ground.
1)"in my opinion once the defender blocks the shot,secondary defender or not,contact after the shot should not be considered a foul unless extremely violent".
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actually,I would not have a foul on this play even in a junior high game".
I'm trying to understand where you're coming from,but you're all over the place.You're giving us 2 completely different philosophies.Don't call a foul on a defender knocking a shooter to the floor unless it's extremely violent?Excuse me,but I think that those are called "flagrant fouls" and the NBA even has 'em.Do not try to tell me that I took the above quotes out of context either-they directly relate to the original posting.I think I'm gonna let this one go now.I've learned enough. [/B][/QUOTE]
Jurassic Ref, I am sorry if you feel I have been all over the place on this one. I feel I have said the same thing over and over. If you feel the contact after the block is severe, violent, lots of contact, hard contact, whatever word usage you would like then call the foul. If you feel the contact is not severe, not violent, not lots of contact, not hard contact, then don't call the foul. All this is judgement by the official as to what is determined violent, severe, lots of contact, hard contact. The play crew mentioned to me seemed like he simply wanted an opinion on whether contact after the block should be called a foul. There was no mention of the contact being violent, severe, lots of contact, hard contact so I assumed it was not. So I was telling him that I would not call that play a foul even if in a junior high game. Of course, I have always stated that I would call a foul if I felt the contact was violent or severe etc. I never said "Don't call a foul against a defender knocking a shooter to the floor unless extremely violent." I am simply talking about blocked shot plays, not normal shooter fouls. I believe there is a big difference although it seems some people do not think there is a difference.