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Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Have any of the people jumping to the conclusion that I am a moron...

Up until this post, I think we were giving you the benefit of the doubt, and just considering that perhaps you were inexperienced, and not a moron. But dude, if the shoe fits...

ever considered this mechanic before this thread or, TRIED it out?

Um... did you bother to read the posts? Or did you just notice that they disagreed with you, and stop reading. I see at least THREE posts disagreeing with this mechanic that specifically mention actually USING this mechanic, and finding it to be faulty and problematic (and even describing ACTUAL problems encountered when it was tried.).

Again, as I have said, I am not certain it is a better mechanic.

So... three people have tried it, and tell you it's not better... Three people tell you WHY it's not better, and after you denigrate those reasons, supply supporting descriptions as to why those reasons are valid. And then you, who is not certain it's better, decide that the people that have actually TRIED this are the problem?!?!?!

I am certain that I read about it in referee Magazine and I find it worth consideration and discussion.

That's what we were doing. Discussing our experiences with it after we considered it and tried it. What more do you want?

I am certain that, in person, most umpires I have asked about this also seem to dismiss it without consideration.

Without consideration? Can you read?

I am talking about respectful questions with completely dismissive answers-often with less than a hearbeat to respond.

The answers were dismissive because we've tried this. We responded quickly because it really didn't take much thought, after giving it a go. You would agree if you were speaking from ANY sort of experience with this at all... but lacking that experience with this mechanic, why do you stubbornly insist that everyone else is wrong. Why bother posting if you aren't going to listen to the input given you. We all posted in good faith, trying to help you understand why this mechanic poses problems (Heck, I even specified a small case where the mechanic DOES work, in my opinion). Yet you, again - with NO basis for disagreement - have such a huge problem taking the input, and ascribe attitudes toward those who tried to help you. Well... there's a last time for everything.

I was trying to have an actual discussion about this idea.

So were we.

If I didn't want to learn, why would I subscribe to Referee and come here?

That, sir, is an EXCELLENT question. One I'm wondering about myself. If one truly wants to learn, one should not simply disregard any contrary opinions as balderdash, especially when one lacks any true basis for such opinions through their own experience. Mike told you specifically what can be wrong with this mechanic, and your immediate response implied that he must not be paying attention if he had that problem with the mechanic... yet you've never actually tried it.

This reminds me of numerous discussions with my 6 year old daughter. "That's yucky." No it's not, you should try it. "No, I just know it's yucky." How can you know it's yucky if you won't try it. "I just know." ad infinitum.