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Originally posted by JugglingReferee
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
"Once the game has progressed to #2, the officials have caused more pain than needs to be."
I'll say! But, that being said, is it your view that a score can be cancelled in either of the circumstances of question 2? If so, do you have a rules reference for this?
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I do believe that the score could be cancelled, if certain criteria were met. I do not have my books with me, but it would be in the section (I think) dealing with timing mistakes.
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I don't think there is a definitive ruling within Rule 5 on this issue.
Of the 6 Casebook plays in 'Timing Mistakes and Corrections', only 5.10.2 directly addresses failure of the clock to start properly, and then only when the error is addressed with the clock stopped because of a foul. In brief, the ruling says that, if one of the officials has definite knowledge of how much time ran off (e.g., a closely-guarded count was underway), the referee is empowered to take that amount of time off the clock.
Referring to the questions I asked earlier in this thread:
Question 1: Under FED rules and assuming the officials became aware the clock had not started, what were their options while play was going on, prior to A2's shot?
5-10-1 says " . . . The referee may correct an obvious mistake by the timer to start or stop the clock properly only when he/she has definite information relative to the time involved." This would appear to authorize the referee to stop the game, even with the ball alive and the clock running. In the scenario I have presented, however, doing so before the final shot by Team A would require Team A to inbounds the ball, a substantial, but perhaps unavoidable, harm. (Using this rule as justification has at least the complication that the rule references the 'referee' and not 'an official' - what if an umpire is the official with the count and the view of the clock?)
Question 2: Rolling back the game appears to be almost universally frowned on in the rules when the clock is running. One exception that comes to mind is 10.1.8, the 'Specific Unsporting Act' of improperly making a throw-in after a made basket and scoring again. Other than this, how can goals be cancelled, except by an 'elbow' or 'leaving the court deliberately' violation by the offense, and by goaltending or basket interference? Does anyone think that, were the referee to have been counting but not in a position to see the clock, a goal on a shot released after, by the referee's count, time had expired, can be cancelled?