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Old Mon Feb 27, 2006, 10:05pm
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Originally posted by Justme
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Originally posted by jxt127
I saw a AAA umpire (International League) this past year miss a call at 2nd. He was probably the only person in the park who missed the play. There was a brief huddle after the defence complained and the call got fixed. His partners did not run out and tell him that he make a mistake they waited till the coach had his say and he asked for help.

Both teams have players and coaches that will assurably let us know if we miss something big (or small). That's part of their jobs. Let them do it.
The key. If you get your own calls, you have to live with your calls. If you volunteer to a coach that your partner effed up, you wont be calling very long.

If I have something different and he asks, I'll give it to him. If he asks.

I once had a coach in my face (after he was in my partner's) for a missed-bag appeal. My partner erred and didnt watch the touch (AFAIK), but he didnt ask my help and I didnt sell him out. "I cant call what I didn't see, skip"
I screw up also, and if I have doubts, I'll ask. If I don't ask, Im prepared to take the heat.

If any call I make can be 'reversed on unsolicited appeal,' why am I out there? "instant replay reversals' have had a debilitating effect on NFL officials (IMO),lets not bring that into baseball.
A few years ago I was working the plate in a HS Varsity game. My partner, a 30+ year veteran made a 'quick' out call, turned around immediately and missed the ball lying on the ground. He is the only one who didn't see the ball and he just kept walking away (wouldn't look back). He wouldn't talk with the coach and he waved me off when I looked at him. How much respect would the coaches (on both sides) have for us if we let that play stand? Would they say, "Those umpires were really good, they made a bad call and stuck with it, regardless of the facts?" I think it would have been better if they were able to say "They made a bad call but quickly got together to fix it"?



Justme,

The same thing has happened to me, where ol' Smitty was to busy making a big show of his banger out call to see that the ball was lying there on the ground. Everyone in the yard saw it except your partner.

This is an exception to the unsolicited help rule. In this case it is the right thing to point out the fact that the ball is on the ground and that the runner is not out. This is not a case of judgment on your partner's part, it's a case of not seeing the play, when everyone else did.
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