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Originally posted by PeteBooth
Originally posted by Justme [/i]
Come on Rich, are you telling me that while working the plate you've never seen a pulled foot or other things that your partner missed? Do you just let your partner die with "kicked calls"? It's not about the umpire's egos (any longer), it's about calling the best game you can (as a team). I don't mean that it takes away the responsibility from each umpire to hussle and get into the proper position to always make the correct call. I'm talking about when this doesn't happen (and it doesn't happen 100% of the time) the other umpire/s should, for the betterment of the game, help out IF they have anything to offer and they umpire who missed the call should be open to the help offered. Doesn't mean that he has to change the call but all info should be considered.
I disagree with aforementioned statement and agree with Rich.
let's turn things around a bit.
You are the PU and you call a strike on a pitch that is CLEARLY outside.
Let's Freeze. According to your philosophy, I as BU should now for the betterment of the game change the strike call to a ball. Talk about chaos. Perhaps you had a good reason to call that pitch a strike. Not to start another thread but you could have been sending a particular batter a "message"
As Ralph Cramdon used to say on the HoneyMooners "I have a BIG MOUTH" meaning keep Silent unless you are asked for help.
Also, Another HUGE factor to consider is this:
Did the play involve Continuous action? If there were multiple runners, chances are they reacted to the Umpires initial call. Now what are you going to do with those runners should you now change the call.
Bottom Line: Do not give information unless asked to do so. NOW in advance mechanics and if memory serves Jon Bible wrote on the subject, there is a way to get your partners attention if they kicked the call, but again that's not the same thing as actually Giving the information without being asked.
Pete Booth
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Pete you disappoint me, you didn't read the entire forum. I think that we just might be in agreement here.
I clearly stated in my earlier post the situations when you should go for help and those situations that you NEVER go for help. Strikes and ball calls were in the NEVER catagory (except for check swings). I also wrote that there are some calls that cannot be reversed without creating larger problems.
In a later post I also stated that you don't yell out to your partner that you have some additional information for him that might help him. What I failed to write, mainly because I assumed that it was understood, that since you don't yell out to your partner that you must have some other prearranged method of contact between you. Maybe that's 'advanced mechanics' to some but even Baby Ball down to the HS level around here is beginning to use it.