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Re: Re: Re: Re: Sympathetic
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by drinkeii
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Originally posted by drinkeii
This thread has been done over and over, every now and then. I know i'm gonna get creamed for this, but I have to agree with the original poster in his frustration with the officiating in a game. Maybe saying something wasn't right, but there is a very pervasive attitude in basketball officiating that I do not see in soccer or swimming, which I do both, that regardless of what kind of call or no-call is made, it HAS to be right because you can never question the judgement of another official. Whether it was completely a judgement call, or completely wrong based on the rules (simply by asking the official afterwards what he based the call on), there is an attitude that it cannot be wrong.
I'm not saying I'm qualified necessarily to judge, but this attitude seems to be in direct conflict with the idea that basketball officials are always trying to improve themselves. How do you improve if when you do things wrong, no one is allowed to let you know this?
On a related note, our chapter actually has a bylaw stating that officials are not permitted to express disagreement by word or action with calls or no calls in a game they are spectating at. I really disagree with having a rule like this. It seems to bring up a situation every year or two where someone crossed the line... but in most cases, it is way over a simple "disagreement" by verbally or physically saying something. In some cases, an official has gone out on to the floor (after regulation before OT) to berate an official, or gone into the officials locker room to do the same. THIS is a problem. But I don't think we need a rule like that...seems in America, I'm suppposed to be entitled to express my opinion.
And we all know there are officials that make mistakes or don't know some rules. I'm not saying I'm not one of them or that I'm better than them.
I'm just tired of the "no one is ever wrong, regardless of how wrong they are" attitude.
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IMO, you've not taken enough time to read the posts for this thread. I don't see anyone saying they're never wrong. In fact, most everyone here admits they miss calls. True, we all come here to get better but when has an official been supported here for berating a fellow official?
Officials don't get to the level of this game (original sitch) by not knowing the rules. I also think it's funny how you disagree with your associations bylaw about an official hassling another official. I'm suprised associations even need that bylaw. Isn't that a combination of common-sense and common-curtesy? IF YOU are someone who is qualified to help them, don't do it in front of others. This type of help is best given and received in private.....and probably not within 5 minutes of the game ending.
Free speech? Free speech? Is that the arguement you really want to offer here? If that's the case then you would mind if I tell you to..........o-nevermind. I don't think this is an issue of free speech, but more one of curtesy, respect, understanding, self-control and a sense of brotherhood.
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I'm not saying that under any circumstances that it is appropriate during a game to complain to the officials on the court.
I am saying that the general consensus, which I get from people from my chapter, is that it is never appropriate to question another official. What they call is always the right call. This attitude is not carried by everyone in the chapter, but a number of the members feel this way. I understand we all judge things slightly differently, but from one game to the next, it would seem the rules could be enforced (or administered, if you don't like the term "enforced") more consistently. Playing styles change the game, but the rules don't change game to game.
One major problem with this sport is the range of what is acceptable for calls when compared to the rules. Many officials choose not to call specific things because they disagree with the rules, or choose to ignore things in favor of game flow. I tend to be a very rules-oriented person, but there are people who very clearly, through their statements, choose not to call things because they disagree with the rule. I can say this because the people i am thinking of have stated that verbally.
Again, I'm not saying I'm necessarily qualified to determine what is right or wrong. But based on the rules and cases, and what our interpreter says, there are a lot of people who simply choose not to do what they are told. Example: Several years ago, the rule stated that the assistant coaches cannot get up or approach the table for questions, etc (like checking timeouts). Many officials around me at the meeting stated it was a stupid rule, and that they would never give a technical for that kind of infraction, even though the rule states that it was required.
This is the kind of rule-ignoring i have a problem with. And when officials do this in a game (ignoring 3 seconds because they don't like the call, or because the coach asked for it), that seems like something that should be addressed. Not necessarily by me, as a spectator, or me, as a member of the chapter, but that should be addressed by someone. Our rules interpreter says one thing, and it seems like everyone just kind of does their own thing.
Just venting, I guess...
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Sounds like your problem should be with the association that you officiate with. I don't see that problem is myu association.
In fact, last night I worked the seond game of a conference tourney 1st round doubleheader. At halftime of game 1, the R asked me if I had seen anything, O told him point blank that asst. coaches for both teams were standing and they needed to take care of it. This was after they had a conversation about a warning that was giving but wasn't put in the book.
Don't throw us all in the fire because your association isn't looking at what's being called.
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Well, maybe it is just our group - our soccer group and our swimming group are not like this either.
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