[blindzebra]

Originally posted by mick

Illegal contact is shown as this stuff:
10-6-1 - "A player shall not: hold, push, charge, trip; nor impede the progress of an opponent...; nor use any rough tactics."

A personal foul is shown as this stuff:
4-19-1 - "...Involves illegal contact with an opponent..., which hinders an opponent.... "

Did A1 knock B1 down by a rough tactic and also hinder B1?
Judge it.
Call it.
mick

Nice edit job, too bad you left out the part that said what kind of illegal contact.

Here is the complete rule, and note the words WITH THE BALL are absent:

ART. 1 . . . A player shall not: hold, push, charge, trip; nor impede the progress of an opponent by extending an arm, shoulder, hip or knee, or by bending the body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics. He/she shall not contact an opponent with his/her hand unless such contact is only with the opponent's hand while it is on the ball and is incidental to an attempt to play the ball. The use of hands on an opponent in any way that inhibits the freedom of movement of the opponent or acts as an aid to a player in starting or stopping is not legal. Extending the arms fully or partially other than vertically so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the arms occurs is not legal. These positions are employed when rebounding, screening or in various aspects of postplay. A player may not use the forearm and hand to prevent an opponent from attacking the ball during a dribble or when throwing for goal. A player may hold the hands and arms in front of his/her face or body for protection and to absorb force from an imminent charge by an opponent. It is a form of pushing when the player holding the ball is contacted by a defensive player who approaches from behind. Contact that is caused by the momentum of a player who has thrown for a goal is a form of charging.