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You have still not quoted a rule that allows for me to call this play based on intent. A PBUC procedure states that you can penalize intent. JEA and J/R don't touch it. Again, how do you prove intent on this play. I don't, I call the batter out because his actions caused the problems. But then again, you love to dance around the actual call.

Here you go. From the PBUC Umpire Manual 4.18 Thrown Ball Strikes Helmet Or Bat

If a thrown ball strikes a helmet or bat accidentally (no intent on part of runner to interfere) in fair or foul territory, the ball remains in play the same as if it had not hit the helmet or bat.
If, in the umpire's judgement, there is intent on the part of a base runner to interfere with a thrown ball by dropping his helmet or bat or throwing either at the ball, then the runner would be out, the ball dead, and runners would return to the last base legally touched.

It seems pretty clear to me that you're supposed to call this based on your judgment as to whether or not the batter-runner intended to interfere.

Much like not seeing the tag, if you don't see it you can't call him out. By the way, I'm the one saying there wasn't any intent, so you tell me where it says he aimed the bat.

Einstein wannabe, that's my point, he wasn't trotting towards first when he carelessly flipped the bat behind him. He stood in the box and directed the bat towards the dugout, directly in the path of the catcher's throw. Any umpire worth his salt knows that contact doesn't have to be made to call interference. In this case it did and the call was made easier because of it.

So he directed his bat towards the dugout, not towards the ball. I see.


I made fun of the fact that you said you were umpring high school age players. Most of us will say we are calling Varsity, Juco or College. Unless you are trying to hide the level of ball why choose those words? We know why, because your Pony games qualify as high school age. Society doesn't refer to 13-17 year olds as men, so they are boys. Many high schools have deans for boys and girls, not men and women. If you go to most any high school athletic site they will have their sports listed as 'Boys Basketball', 'Girls Volleyball', etc. Then again, we know why you are funbling over this one...you just got caught again.

OOOOOOOOOOO.....semantics. Sorry, Windster, I don't do Pony, or LL. The levels I work have already been stated on this and on other boards. The only one fumbling is you...to find a way out of this mess you've gotten yourself into.

It's too bad that you can't see how silly you sound. My original post stated that it is impossible to determine intention on this paricular play. I further stated that this action is penalized accordingly. You seem to have a problem with reality. Much like the mobile home comment, you sound like you are defending why you married your sister. "Hey, she's pretty and rich. You guys don't know anything." Yeah, we actually do and it comes from many years of not working 'high school age players'. Stick with that one, it's really funny.

Again, you state the impossibility of determining intent yet you continue to penalize the batter-runner for simply discarding his bat as any batter-runner would upon receiving a walk. The ruling is specific to this play, without intent you cannot call the batter-runner out for interference in this instance.

I know, I know, Bulls***, you can penalize him all you want.