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Originally posted by BigUmp56

Yes, you did ask why we were referring to the player as a batter-runner in the following quote.

You did ask why we were all reffering to the player as a batter or batter/runner right here did you not? The following was my answer.

Then you came up with this little gem.

This is where I told you exactly why we were referring to the player as a batter/runner. He had completed his time at bat.

Everyone here but a few rookie's knows that you don't need to see it written in the ruling to understand that as soon as the batter received ball four he had legally completed his time at bat.

This shows once again how little you know about baseball. A batter-runner is a base runner. One of the dumbest things I've seen you write, and believe me, you've written some doozies.

I'll embolden the pertinent part of the ruling so you will be better able to understand why this ruling regards a batter-runner. This will also show you that a batter-runner in in fact a base runner, unless of course you allow all runners to carry bats around the bases with them.

"If, in the umpire's judgement, there is intent on the part of a base runner to interfere with a thrown ball by dropping his helmet or bat or by throwing either at the ball, then the runner would be out, the ball dead, and runners would return to the last base legally touched."


Over all I would say you've made a pretty mediocre attempt to swith the focus to our personal battle rather than admitt the fact that you still don't have a clue about even the most simple rules.


Tim.
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Okay, Slingblade try to catch up. Your the one who has the personal problem. I could care less about you or your band of Smittys. I made a post with a question, and you as usual started one of your word twisting attacks. It is you in an attempt to wipe the egg off your face keep coming back with your fancy little edited posts trying to save what little face you have.

I suppose you consider yourself to be superior to most everybody on this forum and others, because you can pick up any reference manual and post some sort of case play. Several times you can't even get the right case play for the proper situation.

Now in an effort to save time and trouble, I going to put some definitions out here and see if you can understand them. We don't need pro ball interps, so I'll use FED for for you.

Rule 2-4-2...A base on balls is an award of first base (often referred to as to a "walk") if a batter recieves four such balls. The batter must go immediately to first base before time-out is called.

Hmmm. no mention of baserunner must go immediately to first.

Rule 2-7-1...The batter is the player of the team at bat who is entitled to occupy either of the two batters' boxes.

Rule 2-7-3...A batter-runner is a player who has finished a time at bat until he is put out or until playing action ends.

Never did see the word baserunner. I going to help you a little bit now.

Rule 2-30-1...A runner is a player of the team at bat who has finished his at bat and has not yet been put out. The term includes the batter-runner and also any runner who occupies a base.

Now for case book play 7-3-5 Situation I: With a runner on 3B and one out, B3 recieves ball four for a base on balls. B3 takes several steps toward first base and then realizes he is still holding onto the bat. With his dugout on the third base side, he stops and tosses the bat in front of home plate towards his bench. As he tosses the bat, F2 throws the ball to third in an attempt to put out R1. The ball contacts the ball in mid-air and is deflected in to dead-ball territory. RULING: The ball is dead. Interference is declared on the batter. If R1 had been attempting to steal home, R1 would be declared out and B3 awarded first base on the base on balls. If R1 was attempting to return to to third base on the play, B3 is declared out for interference.

I suppose the way you would word it is R2 is out interference. Is that what you mean?

I was inferring that it could have been worded a little better since everyone, including your pompous self did the same. I at no time ever remember a batter/batter-runner ever being called a base runner in any case play I have ever read.

BTW-I got to read you sweet little retort before everything was deleted. My grandmother has been dead for over twenty years, and doubt that she would have even spoke to an idiot such as yourself. She was a very sweet old lady that could make flowers grow in places weeds couldn't. Sorry that that you were on pin and needles. But hey, your just one Big Prick anyway. Get it, Big Prick.