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Old Tue Jan 24, 2006, 01:17am
scottk_61 scottk_61 is offline
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I have read with interest all of the comments on this play and the discussion of control etc...........

Let me say that for those of you who would have ruled "safe", You wouldn't fare well with Henry P and his clinics or ASA's rulings.

Henry is famous for giving an example of a fielder "catching" the ball on the back side of the glove, not in the pocket, and then throwing the ball to turn a double play.

I believe it was Arizona that used to do this quite frequently in the NCAA ranks, I know it was a shortstop,
The player would catch the ball on the back of the glove (controlling the ball), step on the bag, grab it with the free hand and then fire it to first. This was quick, so quick that many people never realized that the ball never went into the glove.

Technically, the ball wasn't in the glove but it was controlled, some times she messed it up and fumbled it away, it didn't take away the out that had been made.

Succeeding action or continuation cannot eliminate the control that was there to begin with.

As the play was origianally described, I have an out.
I also probably have a discussion with the coach coming, but I know how to tell a coach that the control was there for the tag (which made an immediate out) and then following action caused the ball to come loose but "THE OUT STANDS"

I had a play very nearly like the one described at a Men's Major National a few years back, I ruled the out etc and got a well done from my UIC at that tournament. I saw the same thing at the Women's Armed Forces Championship that I worked again the UIC (Walt Sparks) gave a well done to the umpire.

I really think some of you need to really think about the play and what happens, break it down into individual parts and you will change your mind on your rulings that you have offered.

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