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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
Palming the ball in the backcourt, is a violation and in upper level games how are you going to respond to a coach who burns a TO and walks out (calmly) and says "sir he/she is palming the ball in the backcourt everytime, could you please watch for that??"
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"I will, Coach. And if he does it on his way to the basket, I'll grab it."
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Do you not think that if you blew the whistle one time on this kid who continually palms the ball in the backcourt that he/and his coach would take strides in correcting it?
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I do not think that the coach would do that. The coach would say, "That's a cheap call. Why are you calling that 60 feet from the basket?" And he'd be right. And then I'd get a phone call from my assignor who would say, "That's a cheap call. Why are you calling that 60 feet from the basket?"
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By not calling it were telling the kid it's okay to do it here but when you get here I have to call it.
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That's exactly what I'm telling him.
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You cant tell a coach that "oh it's in the backcourt and really having an effect on the game."
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I disagree.
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WHY? Because its a violation.
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And it's also a violation for the post man to have his ankle on the line of the lane for 3 seconds. I don't call that one either. Two guys go up for a rebound. A1 bumps B1 from behind. B1 loses his balance slightly but is still able to secure the rebound without traveling. Some guys would call that a foul on A1. I wouldn't.
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I think thats how some officials get a bad reputation.
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I think calling palming in the backcourt is one reason some officials don't reach the level I'd like to reach.
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Coaches/AD's/Fans/Assigners see this as calling what you think is important
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That's b/c that is exactly what I am doing.
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I guess this is where subjectivity comes in. I see a palming violation in the backcourt as a violation that has to be called for several reasons (mentioned above)and you see a palming violation in the backcourt as a good/legal dribble, but only because it's in the backcourt.
Officiating is Subjective(judgement). In the play you mention above A1 goes up for rebound, contact is made with B1 but does not cause "displacement," that by rule is NOT a foul. So if it's blown as a foul then it has been kicked.
Some officials enforce the 3 second area hard and some not so. My question to you is this, why not blow the whistle the first time you see the backcourt palming (you said you see it and let it go)? If it happens again you blow again. Eventually the dribbler is going to figure out that he must change something. If your assigner questions you about the call then, I would reply with "it's a violation."
What would look worse a coach/AD and gym full of parents and observers sreaming "PALM" and after the game they call your assigner saying "it was clear and obvious that the dribbler was palming the ball in the backcourt. Our coach pointed this out to the official who chose to ignore the rules." If enough people called complaining, I think your assigner may address the issue with you. If we as officials would consistantly call violation that we know are violations there would be less subjectivity. Suppose I work the game with the "Palmer" tonight and I call it from the get-go. After a couple of whistles the kid realizes that he/she cant do it anymore and stops. Tomorrow night you work this "palmers" game and you never call it. What message are we sending?? We are telling that kid to palm the ball all he wants one night and not the next. We must remember that we are dealing with teenagers here. If we just call it from the beginning there will be no confusion.
I do understand your point. And I completely respect your opinion.