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Originally posted by wwcfoa43
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by johnnyrao
I have also been told by some pretty experienced officials in my area that, using this criteria, if a player lays it over the hoop it is good preventive officiating to let him know that if the rim moves it's a T.
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The problem is that there's absolutely no rules basis to support that particular hypothesis. What's your answer gonna be if someone asks you for a rules reference to back up your statement?
The rim vibrating might not be a bad rule of thumb to use, but I don't think that it's a good idea to tell a coach anything that can't be backed up by some rules language. Just tell the coach that it either was or wasn't a dunk.
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I think the rim vibrating is a pretty good interpretation of the rule. The rule states "Dunking or stuffing is the driving, forcing, pushing or attempting to force..." So if you place the ball above the hoop and allow gravity to do the work then you are not creating the "force". Now you could force the ball through without causing the ring to move but then it is difficult to tell if the force was caused by you or by simple gravity. If the ring moves then this provides some good evidence of the force since the ball and gravity alone (from a short distance) will not likely cause the ring to move.
Conclusion: (a) Ring does not move = benefit of doubt given to player that they provided no force.
(b) Ring moves = little doubt that player provided force.
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Problem = You have absolutely no rules language to back that little fantasy up.
Why do people take a simple rule and make up their
own interpretation for it?
The "rim vibrating" is
not mentioned anywhere in the rules as being a criteria or a possible criteria of a dunk. It's that simple. Are you telling me that if you simply drop the ball from above and it hits the ring first and then slops in or drops out, you're still gonna call that play a dunk because the ring moved? If a player takes a jump shot and rattles the ring, is that a "T" too?
Call it any way you want. Have fun trying to explain it later though if someone questions you. You won't find any rules language to support your hypothesis.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 31st, 2005 at 08:30 AM]