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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
Blocking out is holding YOUR position and NOT CREATING A NEW ONE by displacing another player.
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We agree that blocking out is holding your position.
Normally A1 holds his position against B1 & B1 holds his position against A1. They do this by pushing against each other with their bodies...it's senseless to "hold your position" if there's no one else trying to push you out of it.
That said, why should A1 be penalized because B1 fails to hold his own position and permits A1 to displace him?
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Then why call a charge since B1 failed to hold their legal position when A1 pushed through them?
I guess we won't call the push on B1 that sends A1 flying since A1 did not hold their position either.
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You're the one who said "Blocking out is holding your position and not creating a new on by displacing another player.", I merely agreed with you and took it to the logical next step.
Your series of "yeahbut-whatif" plays are not relevant at all to the scenario we're discussing.
Let's try again: if it's legal to "hold your position" while blocking out then against what, exactly, are you holding your position?
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Holding as in screening off, sealing, or keeping the opponent from getting to the ball without going through you.
That phrase in no way describes the sumo match you are suggesting, and yes by your "next logical step" the plays I gave are completely relevant.
Displacement is displacement, it does not matter if it is the boxer or the boxee, or block/charge, if they are moved from their legally obtained space by contact and it hinders them it is a foul. I include the likelihood of further pushing and shoving into my definition of hindering as well.