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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
Bench personnel entering without permission is an indirect on the coach.
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Quite true, but this technical foul does not fall under the bench personnel group.
Here's why:
If this happened after a TO or intermission, then the kid is still one of the five players legally in the game and his returning is a team technical foul according to 10.1.9.
If a different kid comes onto the court, we have a substitute technical foul for either not reporting to the scorer or not being beckoned by an official.
Either way, the head coach does not receive an indirect T per the chart on page 73.
If this happened after another dead ball, then the precise call is less clear due to the change to 10-3-3. I would likely call the T under the new 10-3-3 or 10-3-7. I don't believe that I could justify a team technical here.
Therefore, this one is a player technical foul and the head coach still doesn't receive an indirect T per the chart.
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That part of 10-3-3 hasn't changed at all, Nevada. They removed the part pertaining to "leave the court for an unauthorized reason" but they left in the part applicable to this play- "delay return after being legally OOB", The relevant case book play hasn't changed either- 10.3.3SitB. The player returning late gets a "T". Giving an indirect "T" to the head coach is not a part of the penalty listed for the articles in R 10-3.
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I understand that much, but there is still some difficulty here.
1. Is there a call that should be made when the fifth player leaves the floor during the dead ball or is this considered legal? If there is a call here, then that would happen prior to encountering the T situation for delaying returning to the floor. 10.3.3SitB, which you pointed out, seems to indicate that nothing should be called when the confused player leaves and remains on the bench. Since he didn't do it on purpose, I can see that. (Of course, we should also ask what if the player leaves on purpose and goes somewhere else besides the bench during the dead ball. We need an answer for that one too.) This leads us into question 2.
2. It used to be a T for leaving for an unauthorized reason, but now it seems that we have to wait until the player returns before we can talk about a technical foul. If that fifth player doesn't try to return, I don't know what the NFHS wants called, if anything. One could certainly contend that the player definitely has delayed returning. Should he be T'd while standing around off the court waiting? Must the official wait until he attempts to return to assess the T?
Does the NFHS consider it enough of a penalty that the player is temporarily out of the game and his team is short a person?
The Fed has some loose ends to tie up here.
Either way, we agree that A5 is still considered a player and not bench personnel, so the T isn't charged indirectly to the head coach.