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Originally posted by WhatWuzThatBlue
I'm not waiting for Carl to grant us his opinion. The Rule Book states that it is a delayed dead ball in Fed and NCAA. Why do you need Carl to tell you if that is satisfactory?
The Rule Book says that a coach assisting a runner is a delayed dead ball and states the penalty. The Case Book speaks of a dead ball play, while the Rule Book speaks of live ball calls. I've never argued that the rulings shouldn't be made clearer. Putting words in my mouth is never a good idea. I have argued that when it comes to making a ruling - about the play I first offered a week ago - we should rely on the Rule Book since two separate rules guide us clearly. When the Case Book references the exact play - not the case here - you can use that to support your call. The Case Book is not wrong, as you've implied. It is using a play that does not correlate with the Rule Book. There will likely be two separate examples given for future printings. The current one is accepted for dead balls and one that reinforces the delayed dead ball mechanic.
I thought we were supposed to be debating an NCAA ruling. I proffered that the NCAA ruling is not all that different from the Fed counterpart. One individual insists that it is not. More than a few veteran officials have told us how and why they would rule on this. Almost all of us are in agreement on how we would handle both levels of ball.
That good authority you speak of was mentioned two weeks ago..right here. It is not a secret that they will have to issue a clarification. The language will certainly change next year. This is the way that they justify their existence.
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WWTB:
Wow! In one post you've confused Case Book ruling 3.2.2A and 3.2.2B, denied your own words of your Dec 5 post ("The Case Book (3-2-2b) is in error, as Carl and I have said already"), incorrectly attributed to me an implication that the Case Book is wrong, and finally confused Carl's words, quoted by me, with my own.
Leaving that aside, and cutting to what I suspect is the actual point of contention: I infer that you believe that a delayed dead ball necessarily implies that no out for interference should be called until the ball is declared dead. It's a reasonable assertion, but I find nothing in the Rules Book to support or deny it, and we do find in 3.2.2B an explicit counter example. So I draw the conclusion that FED wants the out called immediately.
For coach's interference
In OBR we have live ball, out called immediately.
In NCAA we have live ball (delayed dead), out called after play stops.
In FED we have live ball (delayed dead), out called when?
The existing Rules and Case books say immediately
Dave Reed