Scoring Call

whiskers_ump

Sitch:

The bases are loaded, there is one out. B5 hits a line
drive to the fence. R1 and R2 score with ease. R3 is
chunked at the plate. [2 outs]. B5 goes to 3rd, but has
missed 1B. A proper appeal is made. Since the appeal was
upheld, would any of the runs count? I think not since
the 3rd out was on BR that did not reach 1B, [missed it]
Also, would the play still be considered a force, since
base was missed and properly appealed? Got into dispute
on this and just looking for support, or if necessary the
ruling that would say I was wrong. Don't know if this is
real play or not, was asked this question. Have not tried
to locate in case book, however, I do believe that POE #38
agrees that I am correct.

Thanks,
glen
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oppool

Rule book is outside in the truck so just taking a wild stab before the experts gave you the correct answer my guess is the runs do count since they crossed before the 2nd out was recorded any runs that would have scored after the 2nd out and 3rd out appeal on the force would have not counted

Just a guess

Don

bluezebra

Think about this. Bases loaded, one out. R3 extremely fast, is taking big lead, breaks with pitch. Ground out, 6-4-3. R3 crosses plate BEFORE out is made at 2B. Would you allow R3's run?

Also, does your keyboard havepunctuation marks?

Bob

IRISHMAFIA

Originally posted by bluezebra
Think about this. Bases loaded, one out. R3 extremely fast, is taking big lead, breaks with pitch. Ground out, 6-4-3. R3 crosses plate BEFORE out is made at 2B. Would you allow R3's run?

Also, does your keyboard havepunctuation marks?

Bob

Speaking ASA

No, Bob. I call dead ball as soon as the runner leaves the base because everyone knows the runner cannot lead in softball. d:-)

And, no runs can score when the 3rd out is a force or prior to the BR reaching 1B safely. Now, if it were a live ball appeal at 1B then the runner gets nailed at the plate, you've got a different play and ruling.

Dakota

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Sitch:

The bases are loaded, there is one out. B5 hits a line
drive to the fence. R1 and R2 score with ease. R3 is
chunked at the plate. [2 outs]. B5 goes to 3rd, but has
missed 1B. A proper appeal is made. Since the appeal was
upheld, would any of the runs count?

No. ASA 5-5-B-1
No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of a batter-runner begin called out prior to reaching first base or any other runner forced out due to the batter becoming a batter-runner.

ASA POE #1-J
If an appeal is honored at a base to which a runner was forced to advance and the out is a force out, no runs would score it is was the third out.

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Also, would the play still be considered a force, since
base was missed and properly appealed?

Yes, I think so. In any case, it is still considered an out on the batter-runner at 1B, so the same rules apply.

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Have not tried to locate in case book, however, I do believe that POE #38 agrees that I am correct.

It does.

ASA POE 38

A run will not score if the third out of an inning is a putout a first base (batter-runner)...

oppool

Guess that what I get for thinking before reading, You have convince me. No runs count

Don