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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by mcrowder
The key is - he is NOT out the second he enters the dugout. And yes, this does mean he can leave the dugout after entering while play was still continuing if he recognizes his mistake and is not physically aided by anyone in the dugout.
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Well, that would work - except it's not correct. MLBUM considers a runner in the dugout to be out. If you have an interpretation source to back up your claim, I'd like it so I can put it in the BRD.
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So you're saying that a BR *can* cause force plays to evaporate by entering the dugout?
I was unaware of this MLBUM ruling. Because, a strict reading of OBR does not provide for any "automatic out" when a BR enters the dugout during live action.
Roder has something called "desertion" that causes a BR who goes to the dugout to be out but he does not seem to address the timing of the out. Also, he seems to subscribe to "desertion" an
unwillingness to advance to 1st, implying that if a BR ignorantly entered the dugout and suddenly realized he was *not* out, that he *could* emerge from the dugout and advance to 1st. I'm not sure about that, though.
I can accept that the BR is out under any condition (which is what you claim the MLBUM says), however it is the TIMING of this out that is critical in the original play.
Frankly, I don't really know what to do about this situation which is why I'm intently following the thread.
David Emerling
Memphis, TN