[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by xxssmen
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Originally posted by ChuckElias

The "controlled tip" is just as much a myth as "can't catch your own airball". There's no such thing in the rulebook as a controlled tip (or tap, or bat). To have control, a player must be holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. That's it, that's the only way to have player control.

Lets say A1 shoots and ball does not go in and A2 comes in and follow through with a 1 hand tip and comes down on B1 while B1 has legal guarding position. Since A1 never held the ball is A1 consider in player control?

1) So do we have a player control foul on A1 and wave the basket.

Yes, because A2 was an airborne shooter, not necessarily because there was player control.

2) Since you say that there is no such thing as a controlled tip do we count the basket and call a loose ball foul on A1 and allow B1 to shoot free throws if in the bonus?

You're describing a "Tap" -- a defined term in 4-41, not a "tip" -- an undefined term commonly used to refer to the jumpers touching the jump ball

3) A1 get foul during the tip in by B1 andbasket is good, so count the basket and give A1 1 free throw or since A1 was not consider in player control award A1 free throws if in the bonus and still count the basket?

A Tap is considered "in the act of shooting", so count the basket and give one FT.

I always thought that you can have player control on a try for a goal on a tip or tap.

You can't have it on a tip or a Tap. If you are judging "player control" during the "Tap" then you are really treating it as a Catch (player control) and a Try. This could make a difference if the play happened in the last .3 seconds.

In the rest of the game, the fact that there's no PC on a Tap does not affect any of the shooting or PC foul issues.