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Old Fri Nov 04, 2005, 01:59pm
mcrowder mcrowder is offline
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If the force is not removed, then you aren't calling him out. (Conversely, if you're saying he's out when he enters the dugout, then by definition you've removed the force ... and if you can't buy that, what would you say if for some reason the runners returned to 1B and 2B after seeing you call the batter out - if the batter is out, there is no reason they can't return... thus no reason to call them out on a force play).

PS - the proper ruling on a BB is to get him out of the dugout and send him to first. You only have an out there if he simply refuses to take his awarded base.
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