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Originally posted by Smitty
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
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Originally posted by Smitty
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Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
That was the same example I used. What is the severity of the bump or brush. Some of you say severity cannot be factored in, but some of the same people say that they would factor it in on the Hypo. situation with the hand check.
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You still just don't get it. Severity has absolutely nothing to do with why I'd call something a foul or not. It's all based on advantage/disadvantage. You're choosing to twist people's words to make an argument that is just plain wrong.
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I am a new official so maybe my choice of words isnt correct. I use the word severity. I should use advantage/disadvantage. But does not the severity of a bump or push or hand check determine whether a player gained an advantage or disadvantage???
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Not necessarily. That little brush of the hand on the hip could have done nothing to change A1's direction or momentum in his drive toward the hoop. But perhaps A1 had both feet off the floor at that moment and that little brush of the hand on the hip was enough to get him slightly off balance and he loses his footing when he comes back to the floor. Same "severity" of contact, different result based on advantage/disadvantage. Same can be said for a hard slap on the arm of a player dribbling toward the basket where B1 is the only player between A1 and the basket. The slap doesn't cause A1 to lose any momentum and he's now past B1 and dribbles in for an easy lay-up, which you probably called "no basket" because you penalized the slap that caused no disadvantage to A1. In fact, you now cause A a disadvantage because you wiped off 2 points for them. Way to go, ref.
See what I mean?
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I do see what you mean. And it makes perfect sense. But what your saying is that the call will be subjective, subjective to whats going on when the action in question occurs right?(ie.. the hand check on drive that doesnt affect dribbler or the check when coming to the floor does cause player to loose balance.)
Thanks for your help. I see what your are saying. You use examples that are very clearifing rather than tell me that I am wrong and dont need to officiate.
I think that you are saying exactly what I said earlier and that is that the bump or brush that occurs is not always going to draw a whistle. It will depend on what the circumstance were when the action took place, as you described above. This is where it is subjective to each individual official. Judgement as some say, or subjectivity are a part of the game. If it were not then there would never be controversy in sports concerning officaiting. Look at this years Playoffs...ton of controversy.