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Originally posted by JJ
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Originally posted by DG
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Originally posted by JJ
If the runner is goaded into sliding back into second when the fielder fakes taking a throw, by FED rules you will have Obstruction (Fake Tag). Other than that, it's a fire drill that is legal - I saw it twice this year with runners on second and third (in different games). In one instance the 3rd base coach recognized the play, and when the runner on third base started to take off for home the coach physically grabbed him. Yep, the umpires had an out AND an unhappy third base coach!
JJ
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Under your definition, any spin move to 2b that results in the runner sliding back to 2b is illegal, since he was "goaded" to return by a fake tag and a fake throw.
So, if the pitcher steps off the rubber with a runner on 1b and fakes a throw to 1b, thereby "goading" the runner to slide back (or dive) is therefore also obstruction. I hope you will agree that this is rediculous, as is faking a throw to 2b to "goad" the runner to go back to 2b.
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You've misinterpreted my post. I did not say, nor did I imply, that ANY spin move "goading" the runner into sliding back into a base is ILLEGAL. What I DID say was that if the fielder fakes receiving a throw which results in the runner sliding when there was no throw, you should penalize the fake tag. I hope this "goads" a long way into clarifying what I was trying (albeit somewhat unsuccessfully, evidently) to say. 
JJ
PS Why are we putting "goad" in quotes? [/B]
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The Miami play does not fake receiving a throw to get the runner to slide, it fakes the runner into thinking a throw is wild, into CF, thus "goading" the runner to advance. I think there is a lot of difference between holding your glove up as if you are going to receive a throw, and a fake tag. I think FED wants to warn/penalize a fake tag becaue they don't want unnecessary sliding, which might get someone hurt.
Where I grew up, goading was poking an animal with a stick to make him move. I thought it was funny to goad (fake) a runner into moving to 3B.