Thu Sep 29, 2005, 10:49am
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Jurassic is correct
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by IREFU2
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Doggone it, I can't find the reference I want. Perhaps it's in a past year's rule book. If so, can I please call on MTD to brave his attic and find me the cite I want?
I was doing a game on Saturday (VG) and a girl threw an elbow and made contact. I suspect she was trying to make contact, but I didn't push it. I T'd her, though. I was thinking that the rule change a year or two ago was mostly for non-contact elbows, and that we could still call a T if there was contact. Was I mis-remembering?
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If it was an intentional swing of the elbow with contact, then I would have "t" her also. I dont think you could go wrong in this type of situation, unless you call nothing.
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Sigh.
Do you have a rules reference that will allow you to call a technical foul for a live-ball contact foul?
By rule, for live ball contact fouls, you can call either a team control foul, an intentional personal foul or a flagrant personal foul.
NFHS rules 4-19-1 and 4-19-5 are the references.
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How about Section 19-4
ART. 4 . . . A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant act.
It could be deemed flagrant. Once again it would be a judgement called whether to call a "t" or violation. I guess you would have to be in the situation.
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See the words outlined in red in your rules citation. Note that the rule says that if the foul is a technical, it must be dead ball contact.
You just cited a rule that completely contradicts what you're trying to assert.
Rule 4-19-5(c) sez a technical foul is an intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead. If the contact occurs during a live ball, it must be a personal foul as per R4-19-1.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 29th, 2005 at 09:42 AM]
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Ever try to flowchart this stuff? It can be done. It's way less ponderous than reading of a list of definitions, trying to find a match.
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