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Originally posted by Bob M.
REPLY: No...I think I did say 'replay.' I was basing that on NF 5-1-2 which says that you can't award a new series until you take into account all action (fouls) that occur during the down. Yes, K will normally be awarded a new series based upon R's touching beyond the neutral zone, but...their foul does throw a monkey wrench into that. Isn't that the same for all items in NF 5-1-3? Take 5-1-3a for example. "A new series is awarded to...Team A if the ball belongs to A on or beyond the line to-gain." Sure...but what if A fouls during that play? Do you still award the new series? Of course not. Why should it be any different for 5-1-3f? All of those 5-1-3 cases where a new series is due to be awarded are dependent upon fouls and their acceptance or declination. At least that's my opinion. I may be wrong, but there's nothing that clearly says that 5-1-3f should be excluded from the same 5-1-2 filter that the other 5-1-3 items need to pass through.
Likewise, for the play where both teams foul (IDF and DPI) this is a double foul since there is no change of possession, and you would replay the down. 'Clean hands' has no relevance in these plays since K was in team possession for the entire down.
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I too am on the other side of this.... The foul (IDF) occurred after the muff by R. The foul for IDF occurred
after the kick ended. So to my way of thinking and prior
discussions about this situation (this is always a favorite thing to bring up), it is going to be first down for whoever
has possession at the end of the down.
Key... R is the first to touch the scrimmage kick while it is beyond the line. There were no fouls prior to the kick ending. Thus a new series is awarded to the team in possession at the end of the down.
[Edited by l3will on Sep 16th, 2005 at 04:27 PM]