Wed Sep 14, 2005, 06:52am
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In Memoriam
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
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Re: Striking the ball with Fist
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by M&M Guy
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Btw, hopefully everyone already knows that a player throwing the ball in can't be called for traveling.
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Isn't that one of the Basketball Rules Fundamentals? I believe it says the traveling and dribble rules do not apply during throw-ins, free throws, and jump balls. I sure hope everyone reads that section.
So, I guess using that basis, then other rules do apply during throw-ins, such as not being able to intentionally strike the ball with the leg or fist.
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Yup, the Basketball Rules Fundamentals certainly does say that travelling and dribbling violations do not apply during throw-ins, but those Fundamentals also don't mention kicking or punching the ball as being exempt also. And...R9-4 sez that a player cannot travel with the ball, kick it or strike it with a fist. And.....R9-2 lists throw-in violations, but also specifically does not list traveling, kicking the ball, punching the ball or double-dribbles as being throw-in violations.
So.....if M&M sez to JR that kicking or punching the ball by the thrower is a violation, and JR asks for a rules citation to back that statement up, what does M&M say?
And.... if JR sez to M&M that kicking or punching the ball by the thrower isn't a violation, and M&M asks JR for a rules citation to back his statement up, what does JR now say?
Fun, eh? 
Where's NevadaRef when you need him?
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Ow...my head hurts. I'm sure Nevadaref will show up at some point with his warped, leagalistic approach.
So, if M&M sez it's a violation, all he'd have to do is point to 9-4, and everyone will nod their heads in agreement. Right? Hear that? I even hear people nodding their heads right now (it's that rattling sound...unless it's just coming from my head...). Then he would point to the Rules Fundamental that says only traveling and dribble rules don't apply to throw-ins. So, by simplistic logic, the rest still apply. Then, to dramatically prove his point, with the symphony going to cresendo in the background, he would then make the statement, "So, if it doesn't specifically prohibit kicking the ball during the throw-in, then surely it doesn't prohibit the player from giving the ref the finger as well." The crowd goes, "Ooooohh!" M&M then sits back down, with a smile on face, knowing he once again wins the case.
Well, at least that's how it works in my little head. Remember, later on in the same dream he's at the ticket office purchasing Cub World Series tickets.
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I only responded to JR's posting of this earlier in the thread with a smiley because I thought that he was poking a little fun at me due to this prior thread: http://www.officialforum.com/thread/20685
I didn't think that he was asking a serious question!
How I feel about this play is well stated there.
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Whoa, there Tiny Tim..........
If I read that other thread right, you're saying that a kicked ball is a violation on a throw-in and you're citing R9-4 to back up your statement. Right? Now.....R9-4 also says that it's a violation to travel with the ball....which we know isn't applicable on a throw-in. So.....are you still saying that R9-4 is the definitive citation as to what is illegal on a throw-in?
Would I poke a little fun at you? Or M&M? Perish the thought!
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