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Old Tue Aug 30, 2005, 03:00pm
DownTownTonyBrown DownTownTonyBrown is offline
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Ahh

But they were being wronged.

Different situation from observing a sporting event or annoying others and saying it is your right to do so.

You obviously have not thought about it, or done your reading.

When, in our Declaration of Independence, we said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." we specifically did not include the right to criticise sporting officials... only oppressors (takers).

And as Thomas Paine said:
A few words will explain this. Natural rights are those which appertain to man in right of his existence. Of this kind are all the intellectual rights, or rights of the mind, and also all those rights of acting as an individual for his own comfort and happiness, which are not injurious to the natural rights of others. Civil rights are those which appertain to man in right of his being a member of society. Every civil right has for its foundation some natural right pre-existing in the individual, but to the enjoyment of which his individual power is not, in all cases, sufficiently competent. Of this kind are all those which relate to security and protection.

A man, by natural right, has a right to judge in his own cause; and so far as the right of the mind is concerned, he never surrenders it. But what availeth it him to judge, if he has not power to redress? He therefore deposits this right in the common stock of society, and takes the ann of society, of which he is a part, in preference and in addition to his own. Society grants him nothing.

...That the power produced from the aggregate of natural rights, imperfect in power in the individual, cannot be applied to invade the natural rights which are retained in the individual,...

I surely have not stated the case as eloquently, or as thoroughly, as did Paine. But, taking Thomas Paine to be an accepted authority, I fail to see how criticizing sports officials or performing activities intended to offend and take from others are rights of intellectuality, individuality, security or protection.

Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison (collectively known as Publius) wrote the Federalist Papers and were primarily concerned with the construction and authorities of Republican government - not individual rights or even the aforementioned civil rights as applicable to an individual.

I think my comments were right on and that you, and ignoramous, are wrong. In most cases, ignorance is not a crime. So, there is still hope.
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