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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
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Originally posted by assignmentmaker
You're being purposefully obtuse, in my view. I'm not going to explain the subtlties of physics, or orders of operation. It's a suggestion as to how to deeper understand what the simple (minded) rules don't get at.
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IAAPT (I am a physics teacher) and, while it is possible for an object to be accelerating while at rest, that doesn't matter here. If the ball comes to rest in my hand (i.e., isn't moving) my intended acceleration of the ball has is of no consequence - dead ball, carrying call before the ball can get moving again.
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"IAAPT (I am a physics teacher)". Good! I am a physics consumer.
Reality suggests the ball comes to rest against the hand in a conventional dribble (think Cousy) - the hand stays within 90 degrees of palm facing down and no vector of support has been exerted. Beyond that, some control is being exerted on the ball. If, during the time such contact exists, 2 steps take place, you have your basic spin move that, to lots of players, coaches, officials, and fans looks like a travel. Their instinctive complaint is that control of the ball is being exerted in a way other than accelerating the ball towards the floor.
On the other hand, as it were, it's possible for a hand to be placed under the ball and the ball to be redirected in the palm while decelerating it in such a way that it never comes fully to rest relative to the palm, though sufficient control has been exerted to impress observers that palming has taken place.
This wasn't an issue when everyone kept their hand on top of the ball (think Maravich - when he put his hand on the side of the ball, he batted it). The exceptions were few and easy to identify; they were exceptions. The language of the rule is inadequate to characterize the action in the modern game, and pointing to the spot, and calling it beautyfool . . . well that's just so Jurassic.
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Lah me, more undecipherable gobbledegook with nary a rules citation in sight. Again, where may I find in any rule book anything that even remotely resembles the nonsense that you have been spouting?
Btw, remember your previous statement? To wit-
"In the sense I am proposing here, 'palming' can be a violation even before it results in a travel or double dribble"? You were asked several times to explain that little gem. We're still waiting. Again,
WHAT violation are you talking about. Please just simply cite the violation and the rules citation backing it. There's no need for more accompanying nonsensical verbiage- just tell us whatinthehell violation you're talking about.